Saw another pitch black G63AMG thunderguts this morning, in Sea Point; they were delivering flowers to a lucky lady.
This thread is Stronger Than Time indeed!
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This thread is Stronger Than Time indeed!
Dawie Louw
G-Wagen Club SA
Nice, And . . . Ignoring the Landcruiser, I spot a DKW Munga in the background!!
I went for the Landcruiser and ended up with the G. It's a 1984 230GE. Completely original and a very neat example.
Rolf Redecker
G-Wagen Club SA
May I ask what you paid?
The same as the cost of a slightly used Toyota urban cruiser.
Dawie Louw
G-Wagen Club SA
Sounds like a bargain to me!
Thanks for the Munga photos. I always liked their shape and simplistic mechanical design. Many, many moons ago, I even took a rather rusted one for a test drive. Was disappointed that it could barely do 80 kph. My first car was a 1962 Auto Union 1000S and that one was (for its time) quite fast.
Thanks for the Munga photos. I always liked their shape and simplistic mechanical design. Many, many moons ago, I even took a rather rusted one for a test drive. Was disappointed that it could barely do 80 kph. My first car was a 1962 Auto Union 1000S and that one was (for its time) quite fast.
Dikfrik
G-Wagen Club SA
This is interesting - would the Munga compare with Haflinger? 4X4?
Dawie Louw
G-Wagen Club SA
Interesting to compare the DKW Munga with the Steyr Puch Haflinger.
The Munga was manufactured in Germany from 1956 to 1968 and a total of 47,000 were built. The Haflinger was made in Austria from 1959 to 1974 and a total of 17,000 (rounded figures) were built. The Munga had a 889 cc, three cylinder, two stroke water cooled engine, developing 32 kW and 83 Nm torque. The Haflinger had a 643 cc, two cylinder air cooled engine developing 22 kW and 45 Nm torque. Top speed of the Munga was 98 kph and the Haflinger 77 kph. 0 to 100 kph acceleration, if you could call it that, was 65 seconds for the Munga and and a more "'brisk" 18 seconds 0 to 77 kph (top speed) for the Haflinger. The Munga was 3,4 metres long and the Haflinger 2,9 metres. The Haflinger only weighed 600 kilograms vs the Munga's 1,085 kg. The Haflinger had portal axles and diff locks on both axles. The Munga had permanent 4x4 without locking differentials. Official model name for the Munga was F91/4 Gelandenwagen.
The Munga was used by more militaries hence the higher production figure. An interesting fact is that the Royal Netherlands Army had intended the Munga as a replacement for the 1956 M38A1 Jeep, but it caused so many problems that it was removed from front line service prematurely in 1970. The M38A1 Jeeps*, that had been stored in mobilization compounds for reserve units, were re-issued to operational units - where they remained in use until 1995. (Quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DKW_Munga).
* (A four-wheel drive military light utility vechile made Willys and Wyllis Motors / Kaiser Jeep from 1952 to 1971).
The German Army had an urgent need in the late-1970’s to replace its aged DKW Munga four-wheel-drive light utility vehicles with a more modern successor. The Munga had ceased production in 1968 and its outdated two-stroke engined design was overdue for replacement. Its intended successor was the Europa Jeep, a joint-venture project involving a number of European governments that had been in development for a decade before finally collapsing acrimoniously in 1979.
Anticipating this outcome, the German Army instead invited domestic automobile manufacturers to design a replacement for the Munga. Volkswagen passed the project to Audi, who had access to the Munga’s technology and patents via the Auto Union partnership, so was able quickly to produce a new design called the Typ183 or Iltis. This was a simple, utilitarian 4WD vehicle using a combination of the Munga’s platform, Audi 100 suspension components and a 1.7 litre VW engine.
The VW Typ183 Iltis passed the army’s tests and was chosen over the more sophisticated but much more expensive G-Wagen from Mercedes-Benz. An Iltis specially prepared by Audi would go on to win the 1980 Paris-Dakar rally. (Last three paragraphs from https://driventowrite.com).
The Munga was manufactured in Germany from 1956 to 1968 and a total of 47,000 were built. The Haflinger was made in Austria from 1959 to 1974 and a total of 17,000 (rounded figures) were built. The Munga had a 889 cc, three cylinder, two stroke water cooled engine, developing 32 kW and 83 Nm torque. The Haflinger had a 643 cc, two cylinder air cooled engine developing 22 kW and 45 Nm torque. Top speed of the Munga was 98 kph and the Haflinger 77 kph. 0 to 100 kph acceleration, if you could call it that, was 65 seconds for the Munga and and a more "'brisk" 18 seconds 0 to 77 kph (top speed) for the Haflinger. The Munga was 3,4 metres long and the Haflinger 2,9 metres. The Haflinger only weighed 600 kilograms vs the Munga's 1,085 kg. The Haflinger had portal axles and diff locks on both axles. The Munga had permanent 4x4 without locking differentials. Official model name for the Munga was F91/4 Gelandenwagen.
The Munga was used by more militaries hence the higher production figure. An interesting fact is that the Royal Netherlands Army had intended the Munga as a replacement for the 1956 M38A1 Jeep, but it caused so many problems that it was removed from front line service prematurely in 1970. The M38A1 Jeeps*, that had been stored in mobilization compounds for reserve units, were re-issued to operational units - where they remained in use until 1995. (Quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DKW_Munga).
* (A four-wheel drive military light utility vechile made Willys and Wyllis Motors / Kaiser Jeep from 1952 to 1971).
The German Army had an urgent need in the late-1970’s to replace its aged DKW Munga four-wheel-drive light utility vehicles with a more modern successor. The Munga had ceased production in 1968 and its outdated two-stroke engined design was overdue for replacement. Its intended successor was the Europa Jeep, a joint-venture project involving a number of European governments that had been in development for a decade before finally collapsing acrimoniously in 1979.
Anticipating this outcome, the German Army instead invited domestic automobile manufacturers to design a replacement for the Munga. Volkswagen passed the project to Audi, who had access to the Munga’s technology and patents via the Auto Union partnership, so was able quickly to produce a new design called the Typ183 or Iltis. This was a simple, utilitarian 4WD vehicle using a combination of the Munga’s platform, Audi 100 suspension components and a 1.7 litre VW engine.
The VW Typ183 Iltis passed the army’s tests and was chosen over the more sophisticated but much more expensive G-Wagen from Mercedes-Benz. An Iltis specially prepared by Audi would go on to win the 1980 Paris-Dakar rally. (Last three paragraphs from https://driventowrite.com).
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Followed a double-cab G from Sea Point to Camps Bay on Saturday, March 30, 2024. A kind of khaki/dark green. Traffic congestion caused us to lose sight of it before I could take pictures for the forum. I can recall seeing that one, or a similar one, some months or even years ago, also in Sea Point.
We sometimes also see a real Entdecker here. Sea Point is where many G's roam wild, or sometimes stampede. The diversity is always interesting; from 460/461 to 463 in whichever guise imaginable. Public reaction dictates that Entdecker has more street cred than a G63AMG. The rougher they look, the more the stares they solicit. And the KKK - the klik klik klan - happily snap away on all manner of cameras and phones.
We sometimes also see a real Entdecker here. Sea Point is where many G's roam wild, or sometimes stampede. The diversity is always interesting; from 460/461 to 463 in whichever guise imaginable. Public reaction dictates that Entdecker has more street cred than a G63AMG. The rougher they look, the more the stares they solicit. And the KKK - the klik klik klan - happily snap away on all manner of cameras and phones.
Dikfrik
G-Wagen Club SA
Dawie thanks for the informative write up on my question! Missed this answer completely
I did not know that an Iltis won the Dakar as well! Wonder what mods Audi did?
I did not know that an Iltis won the Dakar as well! Wonder what mods Audi did?
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Aranos
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That looks like Krister's. glad to see it out and about. very nice G!
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GavO
G-Wagen Club SA
I saw this green professional on Saturday, it was headed south on the N1